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7. On another occasion you returned from Scotland to find two animal hearts on your doorstep. What was that all about? In the back yes, but that’s a whole other story. I’m not sure whether it was advice or a warning but I think it was one of the two.
A Message: One of the Animal Hearts left on Rats Door Step
No, not really. I think I’ve been viewed as someone who can be a convenient pawn, and I can be used to gain access to other things… 8. Your relationship with Henry Lincoln goes back over a quarter a century. I imagine you are relatively close. Well I drove him around a lot and we spent quite a lot of time together, especially during the Dan Brown The Da Vinci Code trial. Henry’s like a rock star, he’s had a lot of success and fame and he’s done a billion interviews and he’s been asked questions non-stop. I suppose because of my music background I understand how people in that situation tend to react and how they kind of feel about things. He’d try out his lectures in the car on the way to a meeting and stuff, and in turn I’d usually pick his brain for whatever my interest was at the time. He’s told me a lot of stuff.
Rat with Henry Lincoln
Why somebody would go to all the trouble of burying a giant UFO in a field? It doesn’t really add up to me. If you’re going to hide it you’re going to take it to a hanger somewhere. You’re not going to bury it. There are lots of stories of people feeling very strange while they’re in that area. I was talking to somebody who worked for an independent company that developed engines, and one of the engines that was developed was a very large circular electro-magnetic. I mean he did tell me more…
The sacred mountain of Burgarach – near Rennes-le-Château
The description of it is a large UFO that has to be buried because of safety issues stemming from the pulses that are generated by this experimental energy. The description he gave me really does match the Elisabeth Van Buren story. They’re big, they’re circular, they’re always buried, and people get ill if they’re near them. 10. Now that’s really weird. Listen, as one of the few people (to date) to have seen the Bloodline documentary, tell us what you thought? So it was convincing? It depends how much faith you put in their witnesses to be honest, Gino Sandri and others. I’m not at all convinced he is the head of the Priory of Sion. There are things in the film that suggest that Bruce (Burgess) is being watched constantly by another group, and it suggests that Sandri isn’t in fact the head of the Priory of Sion. I’ve signed a non-disclosure, so I need to be careful what I say – sorry… But you think it’s pretty good? I think it’s good to watch and I think when you’re a hungry Rennie, any new kind of information is really welcome, even if it is dismissed in the end. You’ll like it! 11. As a mate of Ben Hammott, and someone who has seen some of the artefacts first hand, and who just visited him in Rennes-le-Château - what do you make of his discoveries? I like him. He’s put himself in Harm’s Way, he’s come to your Rennes night at the Griffin, he’s been out with us and a couple of people who have been, well not confrontational, but very direct with him, and he seems to handle it all very well. He never gets defensive.
Rat first meets Ben Hammott at the Spring 2007 Rennes Group in Oxford
As you know, when we had dinner with Ben and (Rennes-le-Château researcher) Bill Kersey I was more interested in the nut and bolt things like ‘how did you happen to have the camera turned on when it fell into the tomb? What kind of camera was it? Why were you in that cave anyway? How did you get it back?’ You know? those sorts of questions.
Rat contemplates the merits of Ben Hammott’s alleged discovery - London
It’s the details that are the tricky bit and the only thing you can do is to keep asking the same questions over and compare the answers you get. At one point I even directly said ‘are you making it up? Are you lying?’ And the lie detector I had at the Griffin night, I have to say it stayed green the whole time he was talking.
Ben Hammott at Rat's RLC 2nd Rennes-le-Château Night
12. Moving on – what then do you think Saunière discovered – if anything? So do you think he found something heretical? You see the difficult part is this: the Catholic Church knows what it would regard as a heresy is in actual fact a truth, but it isn’t a public truth, and thus they regard it as a heresy. You see you are only a heretic because it’s what the other side calls you because you don’t believe in their beliefs, their indoctrination, and their school of thought. If you like, they’re zealots. 13. Ok, for the following characters tell me if you think they were a player of pawn in the mystery – just one word – player or pawn:
So that settles it – The Bishops count as two votes and sway the balance. The Players win, 7-6… No – it’s too close to call. You know, in a very real sense, the point is that everything Henry published came from Gerard de Sède. Henry brought the subject to the public, but at the same time - in terms of the mystery - he’s not a player in as such. He’s an observer, if anything. Henry will always tell you he’s a journalist, that’s what he does. By the way my favourite geometry guy is actually Ashley Cowie, I think he knows his stuff. I really like his attitude. Henry’s geometry isn’t perfect, especially when you compare it to the work that David Woods did. That was incredibly accurate. But you see it is all to do with Henry’s role. Henry might not agree with this, but his real role in the whole Rennes-le-Château thing has been that of the sign-post, the person who says ‘have you seen this?’ He always says ‘Don’t believe a word of it’, meaning go check it yourself… Yeah, like most good researchers as soon as you come up with something new they tell you its rubbish. 14. What do you think of the current Mayor of Rennes-le-Château and who do you think will be the next mayor?
The current Mayor of Rennes-le-Château: Jean-François Lhuillier
I think Antoine Captier would be quite good. I think it’s a very demanding job. I don’t think it’s as simple as people think. I don’t think you just sit there sipping wine saying thanks for the money. I think there’s a lot more to it, so I think it needs somebody with a lot of strength and energy to be able to deal with all of the various dilemmas that I’m sure turn up on a weekly basis in that place, but yeah, I think it must be somebody that is known to everybody and who’s trusted. 15. What pisses you off most about Rennes-le-Château? Well don’t waste my time in the bar telling me about it go and dig the mother fucker up and show it to me. You know? I’m not interested in you convincing me what the double M means. I find the best question in Rennes le Chateau is ‘why?’. ’Oh look the double M symbol, that’s really important. Why’s it important?’ Then they go all quiet and fuck off cause the truth is they don’t have a clue. 16. I agree. So what do you make of the people, who shall remain nameless, who say there is absolutely no mystery in Rennes-le-Château, none whatsoever? I think that’s a very narrow minded way of looking at it because there quite clearly is a mystery. Let’s forget flying saucers, sacred geometry and secret societies for the time being, let’s just look at Berenger Saunière. 17. In 50 years time what will be your legacy – heading up the first Punk band in history or being the hero of a great book about Rennes-le-Château? Personally I’d like it to be the book, but sadly it’ll be that bloke who set fire to his drums That’s not a bad legacy… I never even thought I’d make a record, I never thought I’d get any of the places I have and I’ll always be grateful for that. I did better than I thought I would, but at the same time you have to keep looking. Most hobbies and past-times are pretty dull, while some can be rather dangerous; you’re endangering your life hand-gliding or parachuting or abseiling. The thing about Rennes-le-Château is that it’s nice and gentle, but with this wonderful sinister quality that lurks in the background; legends of murders and assassinations with secret societies. The beauty is you don’t have to get too close. You can observe quite comfortably from a distance. And there’s something about the safety of the armchair when you’re reading about Noel Corbu (the business man who purchased Sauniere’s estate from Maria) being driven off the road to his death. You want to know more, but you know it isn’t going to come through the window and getcha, and that’s good. Ya I like that aspect of it too. Excellent stuff Rat. Cheers. And best of luck in all future Grail quests. And be sure to watch out for low flying griffins.
Rat – at the Griffin Pub in Brentford on the night of our interview
Thanks Andy. Now I think it’s your round…..
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